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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.colossiansthreesixteen.com/archives/582#comment-21094</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post!

I'm preaching on the defeat of Jericho this Sunday.  The title is "Struggling with Jericho."  

It's more descriptive of my process than any alliteration.

I remember some strange statistic that 80% of the world learns by visual/tactile stimuli, while 20% learn auditorially.  Which begs the question: is preaching the most effective means to communicate the Gospel?  I love what I do.  But, I often wonder if there isn't a better way to do it.  Preaching is a highlight of my week.  I would hate to learn that God had something else in mind.

Also, I was with a group of Southwestern Grads.  They commented extensively on how many "great" preachers came out of SWBTS.  I asked if they knew any from Southern, and they drew a total blank.  

I also asked about sermon prep.  Most of these guys don't use a manuscript.  Also, they want to put their sermons in the easiest language as possible, so that they slowest/dumbest person in their congregation can understand it.

I was taught to preach by a graduate from Southern Seminary.  He forced us to write manuscripts.  He also read us the riot act if we dumbed down our sermon.  When I asked someone else about the sermon prep being taught, who was a Southern grad, he said it was a geographical thing.  He said that (back then) that is how they taught it at Southern.  Manuscript sermons, assuming that your people are capable of understanding what you give them.  While SWBTS was Outline, and you preach to the lowest common denominator of your congregation.

Now, I didn't graduate from SWBTS, or SBTS.  I'm a Truett grad, and I was a bible major at HPU (Baptist school in TX).  My preaching proff at HPU was a Southwestern Grad.  He taught us the "3 points and a poem" method.  My Truett Proff was a guy originally from Southern...who made us type out 20 page manuscripts.  So, I've kind of experienced from a teaching stand point.  Also, I spent a year in Augusta, GA...under a preacher that went to Southern.  I experienced his manuscript preaching, and it took me a while to get used to it.

Is it really that way?  Or, am I just crazy???

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m preaching on the defeat of Jericho this Sunday.  The title is &#8220;Struggling with Jericho.&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s more descriptive of my process than any alliteration.</p>
<p>I remember some strange statistic that 80% of the world learns by visual/tactile stimuli, while 20% learn auditorially.  Which begs the question: is preaching the most effective means to communicate the Gospel?  I love what I do.  But, I often wonder if there isn&#8217;t a better way to do it.  Preaching is a highlight of my week.  I would hate to learn that God had something else in mind.</p>
<p>Also, I was with a group of Southwestern Grads.  They commented extensively on how many &#8220;great&#8221; preachers came out of SWBTS.  I asked if they knew any from Southern, and they drew a total blank.  </p>
<p>I also asked about sermon prep.  Most of these guys don&#8217;t use a manuscript.  Also, they want to put their sermons in the easiest language as possible, so that they slowest/dumbest person in their congregation can understand it.</p>
<p>I was taught to preach by a graduate from Southern Seminary.  He forced us to write manuscripts.  He also read us the riot act if we dumbed down our sermon.  When I asked someone else about the sermon prep being taught, who was a Southern grad, he said it was a geographical thing.  He said that (back then) that is how they taught it at Southern.  Manuscript sermons, assuming that your people are capable of understanding what you give them.  While SWBTS was Outline, and you preach to the lowest common denominator of your congregation.</p>
<p>Now, I didn&#8217;t graduate from SWBTS, or SBTS.  I&#8217;m a Truett grad, and I was a bible major at HPU (Baptist school in TX).  My preaching proff at HPU was a Southwestern Grad.  He taught us the &#8220;3 points and a poem&#8221; method.  My Truett Proff was a guy originally from Southern&#8230;who made us type out 20 page manuscripts.  So, I&#8217;ve kind of experienced from a teaching stand point.  Also, I spent a year in Augusta, GA&#8230;under a preacher that went to Southern.  I experienced his manuscript preaching, and it took me a while to get used to it.</p>
<p>Is it really that way?  Or, am I just crazy???</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the alcohol content, Scripture does seem to make a distinction between "wine" and "strong drink," but actually pretending that we know the aclohol content of these is just presumptuous. In addition, it all becomes a moot point when Psalm 104 is taken in conjunction with Jesus' first miracle (which was not making the best grape juice they'd ever had) and Jesus being referred to as a drunkard (are we supposed to read that as saying He drank too much 'lightly fermented grape juice?' I don't think so). 

In the end, the real discussion is about the sufficiency of Scripture (at least to me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the alcohol content, Scripture does seem to make a distinction between &#8220;wine&#8221; and &#8220;strong drink,&#8221; but actually pretending that we know the aclohol content of these is just presumptuous. In addition, it all becomes a moot point when Psalm 104 is taken in conjunction with Jesus&#8217; first miracle (which was not making the best grape juice they&#8217;d ever had) and Jesus being referred to as a drunkard (are we supposed to read that as saying He drank too much &#8216;lightly fermented grape juice?&#8217; I don&#8217;t think so). </p>
<p>In the end, the real discussion is about the sufficiency of Scripture (at least to me).</p>
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		<title>By: sofyst</title>
		<link>http://www.colossiansthreesixteen.com/archives/582#comment-21041</link>
		<dc:creator>sofyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, what I was moreso wondering about was his posits regarding the different words used for alcohol or wine. Are there such distinctions within the Scripture, as in the 'hard drink' being prohibited, but the 'wine' or the 2%alcohol being permissable...

I just wanted your thoughts on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, what I was moreso wondering about was his posits regarding the different words used for alcohol or wine. Are there such distinctions within the Scripture, as in the &#8216;hard drink&#8217; being prohibited, but the &#8216;wine&#8217; or the 2%alcohol being permissable&#8230;</p>
<p>I just wanted your thoughts on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I agree with you, and the hard work of sermon prep is just that: wrestling with the text. Or should I say, wrestling with all my preconcieved ideas that happen to get in the way of the text and cloud the issues for me. My greatest struggle is not staying long enough with unanswered questions before I start writing a sermon. The longer I allow the questions that the passage of Scripture raises to remain "open" for discussion, the harder I have to work, in prayer and meditation with the Lord to hear his voice clearly. Not that He is unclear, but that I am so often unwilling to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I agree with you, and the hard work of sermon prep is just that: wrestling with the text. Or should I say, wrestling with all my preconcieved ideas that happen to get in the way of the text and cloud the issues for me. My greatest struggle is not staying long enough with unanswered questions before I start writing a sermon. The longer I allow the questions that the passage of Scripture raises to remain &#8220;open&#8221; for discussion, the harder I have to work, in prayer and meditation with the Lord to hear his voice clearly. Not that He is unclear, but that I am so often unwilling to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I already did respond to that issue...it's simply "pick and choose" hermeneutics ignoring key elements of Jesus' first miracle (and other texts) and it's not worth any more time or effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I already did respond to that issue&#8230;it&#8217;s simply &#8220;pick and choose&#8221; hermeneutics ignoring key elements of Jesus&#8217; first miracle (and other texts) and it&#8217;s not worth any more time or effort.</p>
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		<title>By: sofyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>sofyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you respond to this article by Jeremy Green,

&lt;a href="http://sbcpastor.blogspot.com/2006/06/alcohol-inerrancy-and-sbc.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alcohol, Inerrancy and the SBC&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you respond to this article by Jeremy Green,</p>
<p><a href="http://sbcpastor.blogspot.com/2006/06/alcohol-inerrancy-and-sbc.html" rel="nofollow">Alcohol, Inerrancy and the SBC</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Wireman</title>
		<link>http://www.colossiansthreesixteen.com/archives/582#comment-20802</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Wireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Brent for opening this oft-overlooked issue. When preachers are more concerned for their outline rather than letting the text make its own outline people become suspicious. Not only being trite (as you mentioned above) the alliteration alligator chomps off people's ability to be hit with hard truth. The story of David and Bathsheba is relegated to: 1) Roof; 2) Rape; 3) Remorse. That's what I go home with at the end of such a sermon. Yes, this may sound over-the-top for some. Give me some slack, this is a comment on a blog! I just want to make the point that there are ills we need to be aware of if we buy bulletin bougeois messages. 

Also, I mentioned 'suspicious' above. What I mean by that is both those familiar and unfamiliar with the Scriptures will think something is up when the Bible just so happens to fit nicely in a quaint outline with the same letter. One might ask, 'Is the preacher doing something with the story to make this happen?' Probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brent for opening this oft-overlooked issue. When preachers are more concerned for their outline rather than letting the text make its own outline people become suspicious. Not only being trite (as you mentioned above) the alliteration alligator chomps off people&#8217;s ability to be hit with hard truth. The story of David and Bathsheba is relegated to: 1) Roof; 2) Rape; 3) Remorse. That&#8217;s what I go home with at the end of such a sermon. Yes, this may sound over-the-top for some. Give me some slack, this is a comment on a blog! I just want to make the point that there are ills we need to be aware of if we buy bulletin bougeois messages. </p>
<p>Also, I mentioned &#8217;suspicious&#8217; above. What I mean by that is both those familiar and unfamiliar with the Scriptures will think something is up when the Bible just so happens to fit nicely in a quaint outline with the same letter. One might ask, &#8216;Is the preacher doing something with the story to make this happen?&#8217; Probably.</p>
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		<title>By: eldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>eldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Scripture and the application of Scripture to life are rarely that easy"

What a horrible ending to a nice comment... I disagree with that staement.

The problem is we try to complicate some scripture, then turn around and make it palatable. For instance, The Story of Noah in its dark "Deadliest Catch" horror is turned into a primary color Disney-esque eco-tale of cute critters. Then we try, as adults, to understand it's meaning through that fairy-tale filter

But, back to the subject. i can't defend it. I, as a designer, usually despise having to work with in art. My pastor uses it all the time. and I put up with it.

 And i feel sorry for some of the letters in the alphabet that never get to be part of it. X, Z, Q, Y. How sad for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scripture and the application of Scripture to life are rarely that easy&#8221;</p>
<p>What a horrible ending to a nice comment&#8230; I disagree with that staement.</p>
<p>The problem is we try to complicate some scripture, then turn around and make it palatable. For instance, The Story of Noah in its dark &#8220;Deadliest Catch&#8221; horror is turned into a primary color Disney-esque eco-tale of cute critters. Then we try, as adults, to understand it&#8217;s meaning through that fairy-tale filter</p>
<p>But, back to the subject. i can&#8217;t defend it. I, as a designer, usually despise having to work with in art. My pastor uses it all the time. and I put up with it.</p>
<p> And i feel sorry for some of the letters in the alphabet that never get to be part of it. X, Z, Q, Y. How sad for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhett Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent,

Great post. I have not been a fan of the acronyms and alliteration at all.  I especially am not found of the fill in the blank in the Sunday sermon...people anxiously waiting for the magic word to pop up so they can write it in.  I'm struggling with preaching and teaching right now to be honest and I'm wrestling with what it all looks like and how to best communicate the word.  So though I know how top put a sermon together, that does not equate to me being able to preach or teach.  Learning.

Rhett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent,</p>
<p>Great post. I have not been a fan of the acronyms and alliteration at all.  I especially am not found of the fill in the blank in the Sunday sermon&#8230;people anxiously waiting for the magic word to pop up so they can write it in.  I&#8217;m struggling with preaching and teaching right now to be honest and I&#8217;m wrestling with what it all looks like and how to best communicate the word.  So though I know how top put a sermon together, that does not equate to me being able to preach or teach.  Learning.</p>
<p>Rhett</p>
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